Episode 682: Givers Gain Communities / 第682集：付出者收獲社區

 第682集：付出者收穫社區

朱利安-劉易斯（Julian Lewis）是Integrus Global的創始合夥人，也是《無限付出》的合著者之一，本週他和米斯納博士一起做客播客，討論如何將Givers Gain擴展到BNI之外。

您所屬的任何社區都可以通過接受《無限付出》中概述的7項付出者收穫原則，成為一個付出者收獲社區。 (如果你不熟悉這7項原則，請收聽第676集)

按照 "付出者收穫 "的原則運作，可以給一個社區帶來巨大的變化，無論是一個家庭、一個運動隊、一個宗教團體，還是一個政治團體。 BNI分會是一個積極的地方。通過樹立7項原則的榜樣，我們可以讓世界變得更加積極。

不熟悉這7個原則的人，付出太多，會讓自己疲憊不堪。要明白，獲得是可以的，要學會用你的碟子去付出，而不是用你的杯子去付出，這是非常重要的。

如果你還沒有讀過《無限的付出》，今天就去https://tinyurl.com/InfiniteGiving.

本集由Ivan's Inner Circle贊助。今天就成為創始會員吧

第682集完整版

Priscilla:

大家好，歡迎回到BNI官方播客。我是Priscilla Rice，我現在從加州伯克利的Live Oak錄音室為您報導。我今天在電話中加入的是BNI的創始人和首席願景官，Dr. Ivan Misner。你好 Ivan，你今天好嗎？

Ivan:

我很好。 我有一個好朋友，朱利安·劉易斯（Julian Lewis）正在和我一起播客。 朱利安（Julian）撰寫了（Infinite Giving）一書。 在本播客中，我們將討論這一點，以及“付出者收獲社區”。 我們之所以使用“付出者收獲社區”一詞，是因為我們希望所有人都能閱讀這本書。 我們將討論《無限付出》一書中的內容。

朱利安（Julian）和格雷格·戴維斯（Greg Davies）是一位了不起的合著者。 實際上，他們將我帶入了他們所擁有的書本概念，對此我深表感謝。

朱利安（Julian）對個人和企業的成功充滿熱情。 他稱自己為投資組合企業家，其業務興趣包括IT支持和電影製作。 他是商業教練公司Integrus Global的創始合夥人，也是BNI在英國的執行董事。 1997年，他開始了自己的第一筆生意，從那以後，他就開始創立和發展業務。 他繼續為全球企業提供教練，指導和諮詢。 朱利安，歡迎來到BNI播客。

Julian:

非常感謝你。很高興來到這裡。

Ivan:

好吧，很高興有您來到這裡，我真的很享受與你們一起工作的樂趣。 我特別喜歡我們翻轉硬幣的視頻，無論是用英式英語還是美式英語。

Julian:
我在英國因唱反調而陷入麻煩。

Ivan:

是的，我聽到了。對於那些不知道我們在說什麼的人，去聽或看我的博客，IvanMisner.com，你會看到一個視頻回到那裡的硬幣翻轉上。所以，朱利安。你想談的第一件事 是擴大Givers Gain超越BNI， 因此，我們使用的術語， Givers Gain Communities. 你有什麼想法？

Julian:

是的，沒錯。因此，我們的目標與書 是激勵一個人在同一時間 生活的個人生活 無限付出。這對BNI成員來說是非常熟悉的。而我們也希望，在激勵個人的同時，也能把 "付出者收獲 "的概念介紹給其他社區。我們稱這些社區為Givers Gain Communities。我會給你一些例子。所以，這些可以是我們自己的家庭。而商業團體，如BNI，顯然也包括在內。運動隊，宗教團體，政治團體，在個別企業內部，甚至我們的友誼團體。有很多不同的領域，人們可以從Givers Gain中受益。而Givers Gain對社區的影響，當它被充分理解時，將會給這些社區帶來巨大的變化。

Ivan:

是的

Julian:

因此，我的意思是，Ivan您教我了這一點，Givers Gain首先是對我們自己的行為承擔那種個人責任。 對我來說，很明顯，當我們開始在社區中談論“付出者收獲”時，這並不是在向人們宣講將其強迫他人的方法。 這是關於在我們的社區中設定我們自己的標準，不是嗎？

Ivan:

是的，我一直說這是一個必須適用於自己的標準，而不是您用在其他東西。 而且我知道這種情況有時會在人們所在的地方發生，您知道的是，那個人沒有付出者收穫精神，而且常常是那個人說的，我想，通常來說 這是我們必須適用於自己的標準。

Julian:

是的，絕對。 在這樣做的同時，當我們在社區中這樣做時，其他人也可以看到該示例。 當然，我們可能會鼓勵他們閱讀《無限付出》這本書，以便他們進一步理解。

Ivan:

沒錯，還有我們在裡面講到的七個原則。如果你有興趣聽這個播客，請到播客集號676。676集的七項原則，都是《無限付出》的一部分。

Julian:

是的，絕對。 在BNI中，我們有一個短語，“改變世界的經商方式，這正是我們正在做的事情”。 我認為，有了Givers Gain，尤其是在遵循了創建無限付出的七個原則的情況下，我們實際上在這裡擁有改變世界的力量，並且確實是對世界的積極力量。

人們經常對我說，我相信他們也會對你說，Ivan，BNI分會是非常積極的地方，這也是吸引人們加入BNI的原因之一。如果整個世界都是這樣，那不是很好嗎？當然，如果我們像這樣度過餘生，就會在所有社區中生活，那將是一個完全不同的地方。

Ivan:

會是這樣的。再回到你對自己適用的標准上，我覺得年紀越大，我對文字的信任就越少，我也喜歡文字，但對文字的信任越少，對行為的信任就越多。而要打造一個付出者收穫共同體，原則的應用才是真正如此重要。

Julian:

是的，沒錯。而且我認為，很重要的一點是，要充分理解Givers Gain。因此，這本書的部分動機是定義 "付出者的收穫"，以及我們如何將其轉化為 "無限的付出"，因為人們經常會因為 "付出者的收穫 "的能量而焦頭爛額。他們一開始會有很好的意願，然後就會流失，因為他們不一定理解我們在書中談到的原則–從您的碟子而不是從您的杯子給與，並且可以獲取 。人們掌握了“付出者收益”給予部分的控制權，有時會感到疲倦。 因此，我認為，重要的是，在BNI內部以及在我們將其帶入社區時，每個人都必須了解這一點。

Ivan:

所以你剛才從書中給出了兩個非常重要的觀點。一個是--從你的碟子裡給，而不是從你的杯子裡給，這是Lisa Nichols的一句話，她上週在我們的國際會議上做了演講。我認為這一點非常重要。你知道，不要給超過你無法負擔起的東西。給你能負擔得起的東西；從你的碟子裡給，而不是從你的杯子裡給。這是個很好的概念。但你提到的第二條原則是，獲得也沒關係，有時人們會忘記這部分，不是嗎？

Julian:

是的，絕對的。而這一切的一部分 重新填充我們的資源，否則 它可能不會是無限的付出。而這是這裡的一個關鍵的事情。我跟不少人說過，他們對我說過這樣的話："我在付出，但我沒有得到任何回報。你知道，這簡直讓我感到筋疲力盡。”

Ivan:

是啊

Julian:

也就是說，你知道，做一個偉大的付出者是很好的。我們希望人們成為偉大的付出者。但其實獲得也是可以的。因為，如果你想一想，它必須是生態系統的一部分；否則，如果每個人都只是付出，而沒有收穫，我們給誰呢？所以說，付出者和收穫這兩個東西真的很重要。這是兩個詞，它是這個生態系統的一部分，才會發揮作用。

Ivan:

是的，絕對的。我們有一些故事在那裡 說明不僅要付出，而且要從中接受的重要性。 我認為這非常重要。現在，我要在這裡向您提出一個令人驚訝的問題。 Julian，這個概念 七大原則真的來自於你和Greg。

那是怎麼來的？是什麼讓你想到了這些原則，我們在編寫本書時就花了點時間，但這是您的想法和Greg的想法。它是怎麼來的呢？

Julian:

所以，我們被要求做一個關於Givers Gain的演講。我想我們有一個非常... 嗯，有兩件事。所以，我有一個非常實用的，實施為重點的世界觀 在這方面，這是一個哲學，以及如何實際應用自己的世界？所以，我想在演講的過程中思考這個問題。而且我想和Greg一起做，因為這是兩個詞，我想得到這樣的翻轉。Greg真正出色的是講故事的一面。 他被稱為講故事的人。 認識他的人都知道他在每個場合都有一個故事。 因此，我們共同合作制定了七項原則，實際上這是我們在本書中開發的BNI Business Builder上的原始演示文稿。 在我看來，我們需要背後的一些原則。 所以，那是在我們想到無限捐贈之前的那一刻，後來才真正出現。

Ivan:

了解

Julian:

首先，我們只是實際地想，如何應用Givers Gain？而且它也打動了我，在BNI內部，每個人都知道BNI的哲學。你之前已經說過了，Ivan，每個人都知道這一點，這是很不可思議的。然而，每個人都是開放的，以自己的解釋。它可能是相當及時的，一個更廣泛的， 或更詳細的定義被放在哲學。

Ivan:

我非常同意。這就是為什麼我抓住機會與你們合作做這本書的原因，因為我認為這確實說明了Givers Gain實際上非常非常具體地意味著什麼。

我敦促人們獲得它，我們將在Amazon的播客中提供一個鏈接，供人們獲得。 我們需要總結一下。 您認為“付出者收獲和無限付出”會對社區產生什麼影響？ BNI不僅是一個社區，而且具有更廣泛的社區意識。

Julian:

好吧，我其實很興奮，如果我們把它做好了，Givers Gain能對社區產生什麼影響，因為當它被很好地理解，在書中，我們談到Givers Gain加上七項原則等於無限的付出。如果人們掌握了這一點，Givers Gain的哲學，對我來說，會讓世界變得更美好。Givers Gain既有實用性，又有很多Givings Gain的實際好處的實例，您知道，您給我或您給我社區中的某人，實際上， 我們都互相幫助。但我認為，現在比以往任何時候都更真的不是嗎？它也有一個心理效應在社區如何看待自己。它增加了積極性，減少了消極性。對我來說，這一直是一個偉大的信息世界。但你知道，現在發生的一切，社區能通過Givers Gain掌握積極性，我想這真的很好。

Ivan:

今天比以往任何時候都重要。  Julian，謝謝你邀請我參加那本書。 我很感激。 很高興與您合作，也許我們會再寫一本書。 感謝您今天和我一起參加BNI播客。

Julian:

完全沒有問題。也感謝你對我的信任，讓我有收穫。

Ivan:

哦，我的榮幸。交還給你，Priscilla。

Priscilla:

好了，那麼謝謝你們兩個。這是非常精彩。我期待著讀這本書。我想這週就到這裡了。本次播客的贊助商是伊凡的內心世界。去看看www.IvansInnerCircle.com 上的精彩內容吧。Ivan為你收集了各種有趣的話題，供你學習和參與。所以，非常感謝您的收聽。我是Priscilla Rice，我們期待您下週再次加入我們，參加另一集《BNI官方播客》的精彩節目。

Episode 682: Givers Gain Communities

November 18, 2020 by Ivan Misner Leave a Comment

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Synopsis

Julian Lewis, founding partner of Integrus Global and one of the co-authors of Infinite Giving, joins Dr. Misner on the podcast this week to talk about expanding Givers Gain beyond BNI.

Any community you belong to can become a Givers Gain Community by embracing the 7 principles of Givers Gain outlined in Infinite Giving. (Listen to Episode 676 if you’re not familiar with the 7 principles.)

Operating on the principles of Givers Gain can make a big difference to a community, whether it’s a family, a sports team, a religious group, or a political group. BNI chapters are positive places to be. By modeling the 7 principles, we can make the world a more positive place.

People who aren’t familiar with all 7 principles can wear themselves out giving too much. It’s very important to understand that it’s okay to gain and to learn to give from your saucer, not from your cup.

If you haven’t read Infinite Giving yet, pick up a copy today at https://tinyurl.com/InfiniteGiving.

This episode is sponsored by Ivan’s Inner Circle. Become a founding member today!

Complete Transcript of Episode 682

Priscilla:
Hello everybody and welcome back to The Official BNI Podcast. I’m Priscilla Rice, and I’m coming to you from Live Oak Recording Studio in Berkeley, California. And I’m joined on the phone today by the Founder and the Chief Visionary Officer of BNI, Dr. Ivan Misner. Hello, Ivan, how are you today?

Ivan:
I am doing great. And I have a good friend who is on the podcast with me, Julian Lewis. Julian co-wrote the book Infinite Giving. And we’re going to be talking about that, and Givers Gain Communities, in this podcast. And the reason we use the term Givers Gain Communities is that we wanted the book to be accessible to everyone. And we’re going to be talking about material from the book, Infinite Giving.

Julian was an amazing co-author, along with Greg Davies. And actually they brought me into the book concept that they had, and I appreciate them doing that.

Julian is passionate about personal and business success. He calls himself a portfolio entrepreneur with business interests as diverse as IT support and filmmaking. He’s a founding partner of the business coaching company, Integrus Global, and an Executive Director of BNI in the UK. In 1997, he started his first business and he’s gone on to start and grow businesses ever since. He continues to coach, mentor, and consult to businesses globally. Julian, welcome to BNI Podcast.

Julian:
Thank you very much. It’s great to be here.

Ivan:
Well, it’s good to have you here and I really did thoroughly enjoy working on the book with you guys. It was a blast. I particularly enjoyed the video we did of flipping the coin as whether it should be in Queen’s English or American English.

Julian:
I’ve gotten into a lot of trouble in the UK for calling tails.

Ivan:
Yes, I heard that. For those of you who don’t know what we’re talking about, go listen to or watch, go to my blog, IvanMisner.com and you’ll see a video back there of the coin flip on that. So let’s jump in, Julian. The first thing that you wanted to talk about was expanding Givers Gain beyond BNI, hence, the term we use: Givers Gain Communities. What do you have in mind there?

Julian: Yeah, exactly. So our goal with the book is to inspire one person at a time to live a personal life of Infinite Giving. And that’s very familiar to BNI members. And we also wanted, as well as inspiring individuals, is to introduce the concept of Givers Gain to other communities. And we call these Givers Gain Communities. I’ll give you some examples. So, these could be our own families. And business groups, such as BNI, are obviously included. Sports teams, religious groups, political groups, within individual businesses themselves, or even our friendship groups. There’s lots of different areas where people can benefit from Givers Gain. And the effect of Givers Gain on communities when it’s well understood, is going to make a big difference to those communities.

Ivan:
Yeah.

Julian:
So I mean, and Ivan you taught me this, Givers Gain starts with taking that kind of personal responsibility for our own actions. And it’s really clear to me that when we start talking about Givers Gain in our communities, this isn’t about us preaching to people about kind of forcing it on people. It’s about setting our own standard in our communities, wouldn’t you say?

Ivan:
Yeah, I’ve always said it’s a standard that one needs to apply to oneself, not a stick that you hit other people with. And I see that happen sometimes where people are, you know, saying that person that doesn’t have a Givers Gain attitude, and oftentimes it’s the person who says that, I think, who generally doesn’t have it. It’s a standard we have to apply to ourselves.

Julian:
Yeah, absolutely. And whilst we do that, and when we do that within our communities, other people can see that example. Of course, we might encourage them to read the book, Infinite Giving, so they can understand it even more.

Ivan:
That’s right and the seven principles that we talked about in there. If you’re interested in listening to this podcast, go to podcast episode number 676. 676 for all seven of the principles that are part of Infinite Giving.

Julian:
Yeah, absolutely. In BNI we have the phrase, Changing the way the world does business, and that’s exactly what we’re doing. I think with Givers Gain, especially when it’s married up to the seven principles to create Infinite Giving, we actually have the power here to change the world and really be a positive force on the world. People often say to me, and I’m sure they say to you, Ivan, that BNI chapters are very positive places to be, and this is one of the things that attracts people to BNI. Wouldn’t it be great if the whole world was like that? And certainly all of the communities that we spend the rest of our lives in, if they were like that, that would be a quite a different place for lots of people to live in.

Ivan:
It would be. And to go back to the standard that you apply to yourself, I think the older I get, the less I believe in words, and I love words, but the less I believe in words, and the more I believe in behaviors. And it’s the application of the principles that really is so important to create a Givers Gain Community.

Julian:
Yes, exactly. And I think it’s important that Givers Gain is well understood. Hence part of the motivation of the book is to define Givers Gain, and how we can turn it into Infinite Giving, because often people will get burnt out with their Givers Gain energy. And they’ll start with very good intentions and then that will drain off because they don’t necessarily understand the principles that we that we talk about in the book – giving from your saucer and not from your cup, and that it’s okay to gain. People grasp hold of the giving part of Givers Gain and sometimes can wear themselves out. So, I think it’s important that everybody understands that, both within BNI but also as we as we take it out into our communities.

Ivan:
So you just gave two really important points from the book. One is – give from your saucer, not your cup, which is a quote from Lisa Nichols, who was a speaker at our international convention last week. And I think that’s so important. You know, don’t give more than you can possibly afford. But give what you can afford; give from your saucer, not your cup. It’s a great concept. But the second principle you mentioned was that it’s okay to gain, and sometimes people forget that part, don’t they?

Julian:
Yeah, absolutely. And it’s all part of refilling our resources, because otherwise, it possibly won’t be Infinite Giving. And that’s one of the key things here. I’ve spoken with quite a number of people that have said things to me, like “I’m giving, I’m giving, I’m giving. I’m not getting anything back in it. And it’s just, you know, totally worn me out.”

Ivan:

Yeah.

Julian:
Which is, you know, it’s fine to be a great giver. We want people to be great givers. But it’s actually okay to gain as well. Because, if you think about it, it’s got to be part of the ecosystem; otherwise, if everyone’s just trying to give and no one’s gaining, who do we give to? And so it’s really important that the things are said, givers and gain. It’s two words, it’s always been two words, and it’s part of that ecosystem that makes it work.

Ivan:
Yeah, absolutely. And we have some stories in there about the importance of not only giving but of receiving from this as well. And I think that’s very important. Now, I’m gonna throw a surprise question at you here, Julian. Okay, this concept of the seven principles really came from you and Greg. Where did that come from? What made you think of these principles, which we played with a little bit as we were writing the book, but this was your idea and Greg’s idea. So where did it come from?

Julian:
So, we were asked to do a presentation on Givers Gain. And I guess we’ve got a very… well, there’s two things. So, I’ve got a very kind of practical, implementation-focused view of the world in terms of this is a philosophy, and how does that practically apply itself in the world? So, I wanted to think about that during the presentation. And I wanted to do it with Greg because it is two words, and I wanted to get that kind of flip. What Greg is really fantastic at is the storytelling side. He’s known as the storyteller. Anyone that knows him knows that he’s got a story for every occasion. So we collaborated together to create the seven principles, which is actually on the BNI Business Builder, that original presentation which we’ve developed in the book. And it seemed to me that we needed some principles behind it. So, and that was way before we thought about Infinite Giving, that actually came later.

Ivan:
Yeah.

Julian:
To begin with, we just thought practically, How do you apply Givers Gain? And it also struck me that within BNI, everyone knows the philosophy of BNI. You’ve spoken about that before, Ivan, and how it’s quite incredible that everybody knows it. However, everyone is open to their own interpretation of it. And it’s probably quite timely that a broader, or a more detailed, definition was put on the philosophy.

Ivan:
I couldn’t agree more. And that’s why I jumped at the opportunity to work with you guys in doing this book, because I think it really lays out what Givers Gain actually means very, very specifically. And I urge people to get it, we’ll have a link here in the podcasts for Amazon where people can get it. We need to be wrapping up. What effect do you think Givers Gain and Infinite Giving, can give on communities? Not only BNI as a community, but the broader sense of communities.

Julian:
Well, I’m actually very excited about if we get this right, what effect Givers Gain can have on communities, because when it’s understood well, and in the book, we talk about Givers Gain plus the Seven Principles equals Infinite Giving. And if people grasp that, the philosophy of Givers Gain, for me that’s going to make the world a better place. Just a nicer place. And Givers Gain has both a practical, and we’ve got loads of examples of practical benefits of Givers Gain, you know, whereby I give to you, you give to me, or you give to somebody in my community, and, practically, we all help each other. But I think, and now more than ever really isn’t it? It also has a psychological effect in how communities see themselves. It increases positivity and decreases negativity. And for me, that’s always been a great message for the world. But you know, with everything that’s going on right now, it’s really good that communities can grasp positivity through Givers Gain, I think.

Ivan:
Today more than ever, no doubt about it. Julian, thank you for inviting me to participate on that book. I appreciate it. And it was great working with you and maybe we’ll do another book down the road. I appreciate you being on the BNI podcast with me today.

Julian:
No problem at all. And thank you for trusting me with Givers Gain.

Ivan:
Oh, my pleasure. Back to you, Priscilla.

Priscilla:

Okay, well, thank you both. That was really great. I look forward to reading the book. I think that’s it for this week. The sponsor for this podcast is Ivan’s Inner Circle. Go check out the great content available at www.IvansInnerCircle.com. Ivan has assembled a variety of interesting topics for you to learn about and participate in. So, thank you so much for listening. This is Priscilla Rice, and we look forward to having you join us again next week for another exciting episode of The Official BNI Podcast.

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