Episode 681: Mindset Is Everything / 第681集：心態決定一切

 第681集：心態決定一切

Lee Roebeck本週和Misner博士一起分享了一個故事，展示了擁有正確的心態如何幫助你度過任何情況，無論多麼痛苦。

Lee是一名心理教練，常駐南非。在2019年1月，他是劫車和綁架的受害者。他被鎖在一輛大眾高爾夫的後備箱里三個小時，然後在索韋託的一家醫院附近被釋放。

在這三個小時中，Lee專注於他從Bob Proctor的“將思考轉化為結果”計劃，Viktor Frankl在奧斯威辛集中營的經驗以及Michael Bernard Beckwith的教導中學到了什麼。 他首先遵循貝克威斯的三步方法來解決負面問題。

1. 接受它。 就是這樣。
2. 收穫美好。
3. 原諒其他的人。

這種方法幫助他記住了他學到的其他東西，並從最初的恐慌轉向沉穩，安定和自我控制。

最終，這段經歷給他帶來了他從未預料到的機會--包括這次播客的經歷，分享他的信念：無論我們面臨什麼樣的挑戰、逆境或挫折，其中都有內在的機會。

要了解更多關於Lee Roebeck和他提供的課程，請訪問www.builttowin.co.za.

本集由Ivan's Inner Circle贊助。今天就成為創始會員吧

第681集完整版

Priscilla:

大家好，歡迎回到BNI官方播客。我是Priscilla Rice，我現在從加州伯克利的Live Oak錄音室為您播報。我今天在電話中加入的是BNI的創始人和首席願景官，Dr. Ivan Misner。你好，Ivan。你在哪裡？

Ivan:

嗨，Priscilla，我這週在世界各地，因為這是BNI的會議，我們的國際會議，我們從字面上有來自世界各地的發言人。我們將在我們的在線會議上。這是第一次，我們已經做了30年的會議。我們已經做了它的在線。所以這是我們的會議週。

Priscilla:

聽起來很有趣。

Ivan:

哦，我們有一些很棒的演講者。 塞思·戈丁（Seth Godin）。 約翰·麥克斯韋（John Maxwell）發言。 我們有來自日本的Lisa Nichols，來自日本的Ken Honda，還有一個叫Misner的人，他將談論無限奉獻。

Priscilla:

太好了

Ivan:

今天我有一位客人。他叫Lee Roebeck ，Lee是一位心理教練，也是傳奇人物的全球顧問 不僅僅是傳奇人物，而是傳奇人物鮑勃-普羅克特。Lee住在南非約翰內斯堡，已經成為BNI會員三年了。他最近參加了BNI商業助推器系列活動。你應該看看他在BNI大學的演講。題目是 "Think Big"。

李，很高興你能做客BNI播客。而且我去過幾次Jo’burg，在參觀中真的很享受。歡迎來到播客。

Lee:

Ivan，謝謝你邀請我。

Ivan:

很高興你能來這裡，我相信您在2019年初的經歷很艱難。這是一個了不起的故事。 您想與我們所有人分享嗎？

Lee:

當然，謝謝你，我很願意和聽眾朋友分享。所以，我在2019年年初，也就是2019年1月份的時候，經歷了一次劫車事件，劫車事件，在南非是相當普遍的。而且就發生在我住的地方附近。

有一個商場，週日下午兩點一刻，我在一家家具店，我從櫥窗裡看餐桌。我們最近剛搬進了新家，所以我在找一張餐桌。所有的商店都關門了 下一分鐘，這輛灰色的大眾Golf駛入停車場， 儀錶盤上有藍色的燈光。

所以，我很明顯地認為， 這是一個無標記的警車。但瞬間我的直覺告訴我， 出了點問題。是啊，所以這些傢伙把車開進停車場  他們搖下了副駕駛室的窗戶。司機對著窗外說 "我們剛接到電話說有人要闖進一家商店"

下一分鐘，前面的乘客和司機後面的乘客都跳了出來，手裡拿著槍支，右邊來的那個和左前方來的那個向我走來。而左前方的那個人，你知道，他說："你的車鑰匙呢？"他開始拍我的口袋。我說，"在右手邊，" 他把鑰匙拿出來。然後，這兩個傢伙將我捆綁到汽車的後車箱中。

而且，你知道，跟你說實話， 前10分鐘是艱難的， 你知道，只是收集我的想法， 獲得控制我的想法。總之，大約10分鐘後， 他們把我轉移出去。那天下午我開著一輛大眾Polo，我是說，我有六英尺半高。而這些傢伙從字面上把我放到那輛車的後車箱裡。所以，無論如何，10分鐘後，他們把我轉移到了Golf里，至少後備箱裡的腿部空間大了點。

 但什麼開始發生，所以就像你說的，Ivan，你知道，我是一個心理教練，很明顯，我得是我自己的產品。所以，你知道，我一直在研究和內化 很多想法圍繞心態。而且，你知道，保持 一個積極的心理態度 和諸如此類的事情。因此，發生的事情是我一直在內部化的所有內容中的想法和故事開始在我的腦海中閃爍。

而在那有隻靴子的後備箱裡，我想到的第一件非常方便的東西，就是我開展了一個為期半年的教練項目，叫做 "思考轉化為結果"。而課程中的第九課是關於態度的課程。而我的導師鮑勃-普羅克特 在那堂課上 他講了一個關於維克多-弗蘭克爾的故事。

現在，維克多-弗蘭克爾是一個維也納精神病學家 誰度過了戰爭歲月 在納粹集中營， 他花了多年的奧斯維辛。而且，你知道，鮑勃說， 維克多-弗蘭克爾說， 在最糟糕的情況下， 我們可以搜索的意義。我們可以嘗試並找到生命的意義。

我的意思是，我只是想讓我們思考， 或者你的聽眾思考， 關於這一點一會兒。你知道，這個人，想想他在奧斯威辛遭受的智力和身體上的虐待。他在那裡呆了好幾年，你知道，他看到他的家人被殺，他的妻子被殺。他們摘下了他的結婚戒指 他把它稱為他身份的最後一塊殘餘。他們取走了戒指，在那一刻，他意識到，他們可以從他身上拿走一切，但人類最後的自由，也就是他的思考能力。不管他們讓他遭受了什麼，他仍然可以選擇在自己的腦海屏幕上保持一個正面的畫面。

因此，躺在我腦海中游蕩的那輛汽車的後備箱中，我對自己想，你知道李，這就是，你在這裡處於困境。 但是相對於那個人經歷的事情，這可能是在公園散步。 因此，您知道，那確實在早期幫助了我。

我想到的第二件事是，在美國西海岸有一位演講者，就在Priscilla所在的加州附近，名字叫邁Michael Bernard Beckwith。Beckwith有一個三步走的方法來處理任何負面的事情。

Ivan:

我認識 Michael.

Lee:

親自認識？

Ivan:

Yes.

Lee:

好的，他有一個三步走的方法，然後我敢肯定，你很熟悉這一點，Ivan，任何負面的事情，發生在我們身上。因此， 這在我的腦海中播放， 第一步是，我們可能要應用它 顯然，你指的是什麼Ivan，，因為我們現在正在經歷的事情，是一個巨大的停頓。 您知道，世界各地正在發生的事情。

第一步是：按原樣接受。它要嘛要控制你， 或者你要控制它， 至少從心理角度。四個汽車劫持者，所有武裝的傢伙， 我的意思是，很早的時候，我接受了它， 我，你知道，把它交給了宇宙。我說，你知道，無論哪種方式 這發揮出來，我接受的結果。所以就是這樣，接受它。

第二步。也許你的聽眾可能要把這個寫下來，這三個步驟。第二步是：收穫美好，萬事萬物都有美好。如果你在尋找它，你會發現它。

現在，你知道，有人可能會說，Lee，這種情況有什麼好處？你知道，因為我在尋找它，我找到了它。我四歲的兒子，扎克，和我一起度過了那個週末，謝天謝地，他在家裡。他是安全的。

Ivan:

是啊

Lee:

妹妹本來是要和我一起看這些餐桌的，謝天謝地，她在家裡，兩人都很安全。這是我馬上可以開始慶祝的事情。而且，你知道，我剛剛和宇宙進行了一次充滿感激的對話，你知道的。你知道，我去過東方和西方。 我有過兩次人生經歷，所以，第二步真的很方便。

第三步是：原諒其餘的人。 寬恕意味著完全放棄，放棄。

你有沒有聽說過Michael談 這三個步驟，Ivan？

Ivan:

是這樣的。Michael是轉型領導力委員會的成員 我在過去15年裡一直屬於這個組織。有段時間沒見過他了。但是，是的，我聽他說過這些。

Lee:

好吧，所以躺在那輛車的後車箱裡，我的意思是，我可以開始為這些傢伙祈禱。你知道，我為這些孩子祈禱， 他們使它走出那種生活方式， 使有意義的區別在世界上。

而且，你知道，最終他們讓我去 Baragwanath醫院的後面。這是一個醫院在Johannesburg 在一個叫Soweto的鄉鎮， 這是Nelson Mandela住的地方。所以他們讓我去三個小時後 在醫院的後面。

我打電話給我的家人，Keenan來接我，當他到了那裡，他說，"天啊，你知道，我不能相信你是多麼平靜。"

我認為我參與其中的另一項練習可能是他看到的那種平靜。

我是一個由來自世界各地的25名心理教練和顧問組成的小組的一員，我們每天都在網上電話中見面。我們正在重寫一本書中的一章，這本書叫《人之所想》，作者是詹姆斯-艾倫。這一章叫 "寧靜"，我們已經在我們的潛意識裡留下了90天的印象。這是一個90天的挑戰。我從10月24日開始和他一起學習。

到1月13日這件事發生的時候，我已經把冷靜、平和、自製內化在潛意識上了。所以我真的很冷靜。你知道，我分享的這三個心理工具讓我在那輛車的後備箱裡，心理上有了螺旋式上升。你知道，如果我沒有這種心態， 我會一直螺旋式下降 我已經得到了那個車 一個絕對的情緒殘骸。

所以，你知道，我希望與你的聽眾分享這一點，希望能激發一些希望，關於我們現在所經歷的，在世界各地。因為不管外面發生了什麼，就像維克多-弗蘭克爾一樣，我們仍然可以選擇在我們心靈的屏幕上保持積極的畫面。

Ivan:

而且我覺得這個故事，真的可以幫助會員們看透現在所經歷的一切，在我們大多數人所處的壞境中收穫好的一面，並尋找在這個困難時期可能存在的機會。同意嗎？

Lee:

百分之百同意，Ivan。你知道，那段非常艱難的經歷對我來說，經歷它真的很艱難，但我認為這是一種禮物。 要知道，在此之前的兩年裡，我已經設定了在國際舞台上演講的目標。 這個故事和經歷使我得以在鮑勃·普羅克托（Bob Proctor）在多倫多舉行的研討會上發表演講。

Ivan:

Lee，你還想讓聽眾從你剛才和我們大家分享的這個神奇的故事中得到什麼啟示嗎？

Lee:

我認為，事實是，無論我們面臨的挑戰，逆境還是挫折，伊凡都有一個內在的機遇。 我的意思是，您在Pennsylvania的會上講了一個房地產經紀人的故事，他的態度和看法與會議室中的其他所有人完全不同。

Ivan:

對。 您知道，BNI的存在不像您的故事那樣令人痛苦。 但是，我絕對絕望地從事商業活動，這一事實對我來說在財務和個人方面都令人感到恐懼，您知道，我在此期間創辦了BNI。 因此，當然沒有什麼比您的故事令人痛苦的了。

但是，很少有人知道這一點，實際上我一生中有兩次用槍對准我，這真是令人痛苦。 但是沒人把我放在汽車後備箱裡。 真是太神奇了。 Lee，非常感謝您為這個令人難以置信的故事。

會員們，如果李能夠以自己的心態擺脫困境，我們所有人都可以以他與我們分享的那種心態擺脫當前的挑戰。

如果你想了解更多關於李的信息，可以去他的網站https://www.builttowin.co.za. 。 "Zed A "在很多國家都是這麼說的，builttowin.co.za。 Lee，非常感謝你今天做客BNI播客。

Lee:

Ivan，非常感謝你邀請我

Ivan:

交還給你，Priscilla.

Priscilla:

好的，謝謝你們倆。 Lee，那是一個令人難以置信的故事。 我很喜歡聽。

我想本週就到這裡了，本期播客的贊助商是Ivan's Inner Circle。去看看www.IvansInnerCircle.com. 的精彩內容吧。Ivan為你收集了大量有趣的話題，你可以了解，也可以參與。

非常感謝您的收聽，我是Priscilla Rice。我們期待您下週再次加入我們的節目，參加另一集精彩的BNI官方播客。

Episode 681: Mindset Is Everything

November 11, 2020 by Ivan Misner 6 Comments

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS EPISODE OF THE OFFICIAL BNI PODCAST WAS PRE-RECORDED IN MID-OCTOBER.

Synopsis

Lee Roebeck joins Dr. Misner this week to share a story that demonstrates how having the right mindset can help you through any situation, no matter how harrowing.

Lee is a mindset coach based in South Africa. In January of 2019, he was the victim of a carjacking and kidnapping. He spent three hours locked in the trunk of a Volkswagen Golf before he was released near a hospital in Soweto.

During those three hours, Lee focused on what he had learned from Bob Proctor’s Thinking Into Results program, Viktor Frankl’s experience in Auschwitz, and the teachings of Michael Bernard Beckwith. He started by following Beckwith’s three-step approach to anything negative.

1. Accept it. It is what it is.
2. Harvest the good.
3. Forgive the rest.

That approach helped him to remember other things he’d learned and to move from his initial panic toward calmness, equanimity, and self-control.

Ultimately, that experience brought him opportunities he never expected–including this podcast experience to share his belief that regardless of the challenge, adversity, or setback we’re facing, there’s an inherent opportunity in it.

To learn more about Lee Roebeck and the programs he offers, visit www.builttowin.co.za.

This episode is sponsored by Ivan’s Inner Circle. Become a founding member today!

Complete Transcript of Episode 681

Priscilla:
Hello everybody, and welcome back to The Official BNI Podcast. I’m Priscilla Rice, and I’m coming to you from Live Oak Recording Studio in Berkeley, California. And I’m joined on the phone today by the Founder and the Chief Visionary Officer of BNI, Dr. Ivan Misner. Hello, Ivan. How are you and where are you?

Ivan:
Hi, Priscilla. I’m sort of all over the world this week because this is BNI’s Convention, our international convention and we literally have speakers from all over the world. We’re coming in on our online convention. It’s the first time, we’ve been doing conventions for 30 years now. But this is the first time that we’ve done it online. So this is our convention week.

Priscilla:
That sounds fascinating.

Ivan:
Oh, we have some amazing speakers. Seth Godin. John Maxwell is a speaker. We’ve got Lisa Nichols, Ken Honda from Japan, and some guy named Misner, who’s going to be talking about Infinite Giving.

Priscilla:
Great.

Ivan:
Well, I’ve got a guest today. His name is Lee Roebeck. And Lee is a mindset coach and a global consultant for the LEGENDARY, not just legendary, but LEGENDARY Bob Proctor. Lee lives in Johannesburg, South Africa, and has been a BNI member for three years. He was recently in the BNI Business Booster series. And you should check out his presentation at BNI University. The title is Think Big.

Lee, it’s great to have you on the BNI Podcast. And I’ve been to Jo’burg several times and really enjoyed myself in the visit. Welcome. Welcome to the podcast.

Lee:
Ivan, thanks for having me.

Ivan:
It’s a pleasure having you here and I believe you had a tough experience in the start of 2019. It’s an amazing story. Do you want to share it with us all?

Lee:
Sure. Thank you, I’d love to share it with your listeners. So, I experienced a carjacking at the start of 2019, January 2019, and carjackings, hijackings, are pretty prevalent in South Africa. And it happened close to where I stay.

There is a shopping mall, and at quarter past two on a Sunday afternoon I was at a furniture store and I was looking through the windows at dining tables. We just recently had moved into a new place, so I was looking for a dining table. And all the stores were closed, and the next minute this gray Volkswagen Golf pulls into the parking lot, with blue lights on the dashboard.

So I obviously thought that it was an unmarked police vehicle. But instantly my gut told me that, you know, something was wrong. Yeah. So these guys pulled into the parking lot and they rolled down the passenger side window. And you know, the driver said out of the window, you know, “We just got a call that somebody is trying to break into one of the stores.”

The next minute, the passenger in front and the passenger behind the driver both jumped out, firearms in hands, and the one coming to me from the right side and the one from the left front. And the guy from the left front, you know, he said, “Where’s your car keys?” and he started tapping my pockets. I said, “It’s on the right-hand side,” and he took the keys out. And these two guys then, Ivan, proceeded to bundle me into the boot, the trunk, of my car.

And, you know, to be honest with you, the first 10 minutes was tough, you know, just to gather my thoughts, to gain control on my thoughts. Anyway, about 10 minutes later, they transferred me out.

I was driving a Volkswagen Polo that afternoon and I mean, I’m six and a half feet tall. And these guys literally put me into the trunk of that car. So anyway, 10 minutes later, they transferred me to the into the Golf and at least it was a bit more legroom in that trunk.

But what started happening, so like you said, Ivan, you know, I’m a mindset coach, obviously, I’ve got to be a product of my own product. So, you know, I’ve been studying and internalizing a lot of ideas around mindset. And, you know, maintaining a positive mental attitude and that sort of thing. And so what started happening is ideas and stories from all the content I’ve been internalizing started flashing on the screen on my mind.

And in the trunk of that boot, the first very handy thing that came to mind, was I run a six-month coaching program called “Thinking into Results.” And lesson nine in the program is a lesson on attitude. And my mentor, Bob Proctor, in that lesson, he tells a story about the man by the name of Viktor Frankl.

Now Viktor Frankl was a Viennese psychiatrist who spent the war years in a Nazi concentration camp, he spent years in Auschwitz. And, you know, Bob says that Viktor Frankl said that in the worst circumstance, we can search for meaning. And we can try and find meaning to life.

I mean, I just want us to think, or your listeners to think, about that for a moment. You know, this man, think of intellectual and the physical abuse he was subjected to in Auschwitz. He spent years there, you know, he has seen his family killed, his wife killed. And they removed his wedding ring. And he referred to it as the last vestige of his identity. And they removed that, and in that moment, he realized that they could take everything from him but the last of human freedoms, which was his ability to think. Regardless of what they subjected him to, he could still choose to hold a positive picture on the screen of his mind.

So lying in the trunk of that car, that played in my mind, and I thought to myself, you know Lee, this is, you’re in a tough spot right here. But relative to what that man went through, this is probably a walk in the park. So, you know, that was something that really helped me early on.

The second thing that came to mind is, there is a speaker out on the West Coast of America, close to where Priscilla is in California, by the name of Michael Bernard Beckwith. And Beckwith has a three-step approach to anything negative.

Ivan:
I know Michael.

Lee:
Personally?

Ivan:
Yes.

Lee:
Okay. He’s got a three-step approach, and then I’m pretty sure you are familiar with this, Ivan, to anything negative that happens to us. So in that trunk, the first step, and this played in my mind, the first step is, and we might want to apply it obviously, to what you refer to Ivan, as what we’re going through now, the great pause. You know, what’s happening around the world.

The first step is: it is what it is, accept it. It’s either going to control you, or you’re going to control it, at least from a mental perspective. Four car jackers, all armed guys, I mean, very early on I accepted it, and I, you know, gave it over to the universe. And I said, you know, whichever way this plays out, I accept the outcome. So it is what it is, accept it.

Step two. And maybe your listeners might want to write this down, these three steps. Step two is: harvest the good, there is good in everything. If you’re looking for it, you’ll find it.

Now, you know, someone might say, Lee, what was the good in that situation? You know, because I was looking for it, I found it. My four-year old son, Zack, was with me that weekend, thank goodness, he was at home. He was safe.

Ivan:
Yeah.

Lee:
My sister was supposed to be with me to look at these dining tables, thank goodness, she was at home, both of them are safe. That is something immediately I could start celebrating. And, you know, I just had a gratitude-filled conversation, you know, with the universe. You know, I’ve been to the East and the West. I’ve had a couple of life experiences, so you know, that second step was really handy.

And the third step is: forgive the rest. Forgive means to let go of completely, abandon.

Have you heard Michael talk about these three steps, Ivan?

Ivan:
I have. Michael is a member of the Transformational Leadership Council, which is an organization that I’ve belonged to for the last 15 years. Haven’t seen him there for a while. But yes, I’ve heard him talk about these.

Lee:
Okay. Yeah, so lying in the trunk of that car, I mean, I could start praying for these guys. You know, I prayed for these kids, that they make it out of that sort of lifestyle, to make a meaningful difference in the world.

And, you know, eventually they let me go to the back of Baragwanath Hospital. It’s a hospital in Johannesburg in a township called Soweto, it’s where Nelson Mandela lived. And so they let me go three hours later at the back of that hospital.

And I phoned my family member, Keenan, to pick me up and when he got there he said, “Geez, you know, I cannot believe how calm you are.”

And I think there’s another exercise I’ll share quickly, that I was involved in, was probably a result of what, you know, the sort of calmness he’s seeing.

I was part of a group of 25 mindset coaches and consultants from all around the world, we met daily on an online call. And we were rewriting a chapter from a book called As a Man Thinketh by James Allen. The chapter called “Serenity,” we’ve been impressing it on our subconscious mind for 90 days. It was a 90-day challenge. I started with him on the 24th of October.

By the 13th of January when this incident happened, I’d been internalizing calmness, equanimity, self-control on my subconscious mind. So I was really calm. And you know, these three mental tools that I shared had me mentally spiraling up in the trunk of that car. You know, if I didn’t have this mentality, I would have been spiraling down and I would have gotten out of that car an absolute emotional wreck.

So, you know, I hope to share this with your listeners to hopefully inspire some hope with regards to what we’re experiencing right now, around the world. Because regardless what’s happening on the outside, just like Viktor Frankl, we can still choose to hold the positive picture on the screen of our mind.

Ivan:
And I think this story, it really will help members see past what they’re going through right now to harvest the good in the bad situation that most all of us are in, and to look for opportunities that may exist in these difficult times. Agreed?

Lee:
One hundred percent agreed, Ivan. You know, that really tough experience for me, going through it was really tough, but I see it as a gift. You know, I had set a goal to speak on an international stage a couple of years before that. And this very story, experience, allowed me to speak at Bob Proctor’s seminar that he held in Toronto.

Ivan:
Anything else you’d like the listeners to take away from this amazing story that you’ve just shared with us all, Lee?

Lee:
I think just the fact that, Ivan, it is, regardless of the challenge, adversity, or setback we’re facing, there’s an inherent opportunity in it. I mean, you told the story of the real estate agent at the chamber event in Pennsylvania, and his attitude, and his perception, was just totally different to everyone else in the room.

Ivan:
Right. The existence of BNI is, you know, not quite as, nearly as harrowing as your story. But the fact that I was absolutely desperate for business and things looked horrible for me, financially and personally, you know, I started BNI in the midst of that. So certainly nothing as harrowing as your story.

However, very few people know this, I’ve actually had a gun pointed at me twice in my lifetime, which is pretty harrowing. But nobody put me in the trunk of a car. That is really amazing. Lee, thank you so much for this incredibly powerful story.

Members, if Lee is able to come out of that, with the mindset that he has, we can all come out of the challenges we have now, with the kind of mindset that he has shared with us.

If you’d like more information on Lee, you can go to his website, https://www.builttowin.co.za. “Zed A” as it’s said in many countries, builttowin.co.za. Lee, thank you so much for being on BNI Podcast today.

Lee:
Ivan, thank you very much for having me, sir.

Ivan:
Back to you, Priscilla.

Priscilla:
Okay, well, thank you both. Lee, that was an incredible story. I just loved hearing it.

I think that’s it for this week and the sponsor for this podcast is Ivan’s Inner Circle. Go check out the great content available at www.IvansInnerCircle.com. Ivan has assembled a large variety of interesting topics for you to learn about and also participate in.

Thank you so much for listening. This is Priscilla Rice, and we look forward to having you join us again next week for another exciting episode of The Official BNI Podcast.

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